– We’re here in Madison, Wisconsin, a place that I have fantastic memories of from my time as a rider. Madison has so many awesome
cycling amenities and culture, it’s literally everywhere,
it’s not hard to see why so many people are riding. I’m actually compiling a
video about the best places to ride in the United States. But while I was here I got to tip that Saris has some exclusive new tech that I’m excited to go check out and give you guys the scoop on. (dramatic music) Now to learn more, Saris invited us to their
headquarters here in Madison. Now the name, Saris one that
you might be familiar with from their storage systems,
their famous Bones Rack, or their trainer brand, Cyclops, which moving forward, will
also bear the Saris name. Once we arrived, we met their president, Jeff Frehner. Hey, how’s it going?T It’s Jeremy. – Hey Jeremy, I’m Jeff,
president here at Saris. – [Jeremy] He introduced me
to their product manager, Jesse Bartholomew, to give us the scoop on three new products
they’ve been working on, a trainer platform called the MP1, that we’ve been told is
going to make riding inside a heck of a lot more realistic. A all new desk, called the TD1, and their latest trainer, the H3. This is very interesting
and I think the first thing that comes to mind is
the, I believe, the MP1, The Movement Platform. So tell me what’s going on with this. – Yeah, movement, that’s what’s going on, and not just left and
right, but also fore, aft, that’s really the key to
making it feel most realistic, improving comfort and just making it feel like you’re riding outside. – Yeah, I’ve ridden a lot of trainers, and sometimes they can be uncomfortable, sitting in one place for a long time. I think that’s probably what
you guys are going for here. – Absolutely with the popularity of Zwift, and more and more people riding inside, they’re spending more time inside, so we really wanted to offer something that made it even more comfortable to spend that much time riding indoors. – Cool, now I’m going to get
on and check this thing out. Tell me about what’s
going on with the TD desk, this is something that’s
unique and interesting as well, what are you guys thinking about this? – Yeah, I mean, whenever you ride inside you typically have a water bottle, your keyboard for the computer, maybe your towel, and in this case, we’ve actually integrated
power support into the desk, so you can plug your smart
trainer in or charge your phone while you’re riding
and have it look great, and really help out the whole experience. – Yeah, the aesthetic is really nice. It all pulls everything together, it feels like this would be something that I’d want to have at my house like, hey we can feed the kids over here. – Yeah, it’s fully adjustable so you can put a high chair
underneath that if you need to. – I love that yeah, my
wife would like that in an emergency situation for sure. So, and then definitely,
last but not least, the new H3 Trainer. – Yeah, all new, the main
thing is the new drive system. So it’s much much quieter, 59 decibels, at about 20 miles per hour, and it’s compatible with
an XD and XTR driver, so that new SRAM group
set will be compatible and there’s a new wireless
protocol, called FTMS, that optimizes the connections with Zwift and other smart apps. – I’m going to continue riding
here and checking this out and so far I feel like
I’m really in the zone. – [Jeremy] You may be familiar
with other trainer platforms that move while you’re riding. But Saris tells us that
their goal with thing MP1 is to take indoor riding experience to a completely new level. The reason that platforms like this make riding feel so authentic, is that traditionally,
when you’re riding indoors, your bike is in a fixed
position on the ground. But when you use the MP1,
the movement of the platform allows your hips to
rotate just a little bit, because your movement
is going into the bike. It’s something the Chris
and Simon also noticed last year, when they tested
the LEOMO motion sensor device. (upbeat music) Okay, so we’re making
our through the factory on our way to meet Dustin,
the engineer, the brains, one of probably many, that
have made this MP1, TD1, and all of the workings, interworkings of these
products come to life. (upbeat music) Hey Dustin. – Hey Jeremy. – Thank you so much for meeting with us. You are the engineer behind
all of the technology that is the Movement Platform One. – Yeah. – All right, I see that we
have some prototypes here. – Yeah. – You’re going to walk
us through the beginning, ’cause you’re the man. – Yeah.
– That has made this happen. So tell us about what we have here. – Yeah, we’ve got a few
of the early prototypes, at least the ones that
are kind of leading up to what we’ve got now. – Okay. – This is one of our first attempts at a rolling floor that
has the same geometry as what we’re using now. So this is what we were planning on potentially having five
giant, molded pieces to do this and having it fold up. – And how long, from here to here, or from the beginning of time, how long have we been
going at these prototypes and this prototyping phase? – So the first Movement
prototype that we had was nine years ago, and that
was very different than this. – Okay, so this is closer
to the final product? – This is closer to the final, this was when we redirected and said, “Okay, we need to keep everything light, “we need to redesign it “and make sure it’s simple
and light and clean.” – Okay. – This was that first prototype that I stayed up all night making. – I love, that’s so cool. Okay, and so then is the finished product, it has the branding on
it, it has the shine. – Yeah. – Everything’s going down with this. So tell me, I guess tell me about it, but also tell me the why. Why is this product here? Why is this product really
important that you guys have? What is the why behind this? – Yeah, absolutely. Well, we’ve been making
trainers for 20 years, and we ride trainers a lot, and we all just want
to get our workouts in and that’s been changing. We recognize that comfort is
important in the trainer space and we’ve been increasing
flywheel sizes and speeds. And doing controlled resistance, and we were one of the first ones to get into virtual environments, which is of course, becoming
more and more important. – Oh, right, yeah, I
know, I’ve got one myself. – Yeah, as we incorporate
all these virtual hills, where you’re dealing
more with acceleration, you’re dealing with hill climbing, where when you’re outside,
you can move the bike relative to your body. We’re recognizing that you really need to be able to do that, especially now with these
virtual environments, we really need to be able to
do that on the trainer as well. – [Jeremy] Yeah, definitely. – We wanted something
that anybody can strap their trainer onto and
strap their bike onto and really feel secure,
but get that same benefit. – Yeah, and you were telling me that this actually fits
all of the trainers that are out there. So literally every, or
just about 90% or so. – We haven’t checked every trainer, but a lot of them use the same footprint. So we’ve checked a lot of them, you can see a pile of our trainers and competitor’s trainers here. – And the MP1 works with that? – Yes absolutely. – So, that’s pretty cool.
– Yeah, that was important. – All right, so you’re going to show us what’s going on underneath this, and some the technology
and things that you guys have manufactured, and
some of your brains, what’s going on underneath this. – Sure. – Okay. (upbeat music) All right Dustin, so this
is the MP1 flipped over on its back, like a
fileted fish, it’s open, all this stuff is going on, this is this frame moving, tell me about what’s going on with this? What I see versus what you see, I think are two different worlds. – Well, I’ll try to show you
exactly what’s going on here. – Okay. – So we’ve got this base frame, that’s normally sitting on the floor here, and the top frame, that’s
attached to what your trainer, and what bike you’re sitting on. And the whole top can move
independently forward and back. And it takes a little
force in this position, but side to side you can move it as well. So what’s resisting that
and keeping you center is this large leaf spring that
goes all the way across here. – Okay, and that’s what’s being
tested behind us right now? – [Dustin] Yes. – [Jeremy] Left and right movement, you guys are running these through thousands of cycles to make sure that– – [Dustin] Millions of cycles. – [Jeremy] Millions of cycles. So that when someone’s riding that longevity of everything
is all part of that which I think is pretty cool. – This spring is putting out
about up to 300 pounds of force when you have it fully leaned over. To keep you stable. – So let’s jump back for a second, if you’re prototyping this, you’re going through all this stuff, you can walk downstairs
and you can be like, “Okay guys, I want to get this frame, “I want to actually do
something different with this, “I want this piece to be
shorter, it’s not stable enough, “I want this piece to be
longer, I want to do this,” and I was just walking
through the factory, seeing all of the people doing this work, I thought it was pretty unique and cool that you can, I would say
rapidly prototype something. – Yeah, absolutely, I mean
this is our bread and butter so we can go down, I can go down, I can just grab steel tubes off the rack, ask somebody to bend them for me. – I’ve been lifting with them earlier. (both laugh) – I can tell them what the layout is. – Yeah. – And they can get it bent for me, I can have them weld it up, they’ll let me break into production, just weld it up quick, so
that we can test things. – Yeah. – And it’s really invaluable, all of our in house tool and dye, and all the the other– – Yeah, it’s fantastic, it’s fantastic to see
all it all down there, it’s fantastic to see that you guys are able to do this. And for something like this
to be able to come to life, right here, right here in this factory.
– Yeah, no, – right here in this engineering lab. – We are trying to do
as much as we can here, and we’ve always tried
to do as much as we can. – [Jeremy] And I was told too, that this stuff is really local. – [Dustin] Yes. – Literally this steel is from hours away. – Yep, yep.
– That’s amazing. – Yeah, the steel’s from hours away, the wood’s from a shop just across town. – This is like local
birch, it’s pretty amazing. – So we’re definitely sourcing things as close to home as possible, which makes it easier for everyone, it’s what we want to do. – [Jeremy] It’s cool. – Dude, thank you so much
– Yeah absolutely. – It was great to meet you, and thank you for taking us through. (tranquil music) So that was a day at Saris,
very fun and informative, really cool to learn about
all their new technology that’s coming down the pipeline. While I’m here, I can’t help
but think about the times that storm rolls in and
you’re all kitted up and you’re ready to go outside, only to find out that you’re going to be doing your ride inside. It’s the technology that
they’ve got coming down the pipeline like this,
that’s going to make it a lot more enjoyable. And they’ve really dedicated
a lot of time and resources to making that true. So, we’re going to head
back down town in Madison, because I want to try some
of these cheese curds, some other things that are out there, check out the bike paths, and the cool infrastructure. I hope you guys liked this video, and if you want to see
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Dennis Veasley

28 thoughts on “The Future Of Indoor Cycle Training?”

  1. Question – Elephant in the room. Love these things. But where does the massive sweat from head, arms and chest go to? Is it just a towel on the floor job like any other trainer, spinner or exercise bike?

  2. I have been riding on a homemade rocker with fore and aft movement for over a year now. It greatly improves the in door ride experience. Good to see Saris have adopted a similar system but that price is eye watering.

  3. Did I miss the description of the rocker plate, the problem it solves, and how this makes indoor training better at all? I saw how it’s made, where the parts come from, and why they think they need to make it but…

    Did Jeremy feel like it made his workout better at all? Did it improve his zwifting? Anything at all about using the product while training indoors seemed to be missing from the infomercial. Perhaps I’m wrong. 🤷🏽‍♂️

  4. Jeremy, GREAT piece, thank you warrior. Like the MP1 though i can see competition coming up with smaller, lighter units with a few more features. Keep up the great videos.

  5. Hey there love the USA take on GCN!! I'm from MA and moved to Boulder CO for the riding…I'm sure you have trained here as a pro but as just a place to enjoy the bike I dont think it can be beat! Big cyclocross series and tons of races with pro level riders…a small town with tons of bike specific places to enjoy…

  6. You should check out Vroom indoor cycling studio near LA and ride mount Baldy. Several good tour of Cali stages near by

  7. The Bay Area in California, in particular the peninsula, has amazing cycling. Check out kings mountain rd and old la honda road if you visit here. 🙂

  8. I really hope the MP1 Platform will be available in Europe. Equally important… Wood look wont fit my cave(!) – I want it in black!!!

  9. Unfortunately, they've priced it way out of the reach of most people. I mean, it's basically a sheet of wood atop a steel frame, and it's going to cost $1200.

  10. This is brilliant! I like that Saris is building this as a universal platform, and it appears to be a premium level product as well! For all of the Debbie Downers out there complaining about it being “overpriced”, it is not overpriced. It is a high quality product with 9 years of research, development, and engineering that have been invested. If you think the price too high, it isn’t overpriced, you just cannot afford to buy one. There is a big difference. Cheers to Saris and GCN.

  11. Very cool look into development and manufacturing. MADE IN USA absolutely ROCKS!! Congrats Jeremey, you've knocked another one outta the park!!

  12. Just get a set of the E Motion rollers and call it a day. Doesn’t get any more realistic. I do all my indoor training on the E Motions. Much better workout than a stationary trainer.

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