– Hey, guys, Scott and
Nate from PlayYourCourt. Today we’re gonna show you why you’re getting beat by the lob. All right guys. Today we’re talking about the
dreaded lob, and to be clear this video is for players
with a PlayYourCourt rating of 50 to 80. If you’re not in our community or familiar with our rating system, this is the equivalent of
about a USTA 3.0 to a 4.5. So, Nate, correct me if
I’m wrong here, but for me, and a lot of the students that I coach, the number one mistake
I see and why players are getting beat by the lob is they’re just not paying attention to what’s on the other
side of the net, right. It happens in singles,
it happens in doubles. I see so many players rush the net you know expecting to
get this great volley, then they get beat by the lob, and they’re just not paying attention to what’s happening on
the other side of the net. I’ll be sitting on the
sideline watching a match knowing, oh man, he’s
getting ready to get lobbed, and my student’s you
know crashing the net. So let’s address this today. Is this something you see
when you coach as well? – I mean, guys, the lob out there, from 3-0 to 4-0, especially in doubles, is the biggest weapon
that people are using. In singles as well, I see
more dink ’em and dunk ’em strategies where somebody’s
drop shotting and lobbing, putting away the overhead,
and it’s just a failure to recognize the visual cues and the anticipation along with that, and therefore we’re just
getting beat by the lob. – For sure. – So let’s help them today, huh. – Yeah, for sure. And I think step one here
is just really acknowledging the obvious. Nate, if you were watching
me as a rec player pull my racket back like this, am I gonna drive past you
or am I gonna lob you? – The racket face being
open, guys, is the first cue that’s telling me that I’m getting lobbed. – Right. And I think it’s the obvious
cue that most of us miss. You do damage, again, singles,
doubles, doesn’t matter, if you hit a big ball and
you’re coming into the net behind it, and you see your
opponent in a defensive stance, and that racket face open up,
and it looks like they’ve got kind of a volley grip,
we know a lob is coming. So don’t crash the net quite so tight. Now alternatively, Nate,
if I pull my racket back and it looks like I’m getting
ready to take a big swing at the ball, with my
weight into the court, we know drive. – Yup.
– Right. – Yup. – So same situation here guys. If you hit a ball in and
you see your opponent you know pretty comfortable
with their feet, and they’re winding up, they’re probably gonna drive,
we would actually recommend you closing that a little
tighter, ’cause you’re not in danger of the lob. And I think there’s one example here that maybe confuses people, the top spin lob. Can you tell us a little bit
more about what you would see visually, Nate, if a
top spin lob is coming, and how to be wary of this. ‘Cause I know, a lot
of the players I coach, this is what they’re freaked out about. They’re like, I try this, but
then you know they pull back and they beat me with the top spin lob. – Right, yeah. So forehand or backhand, the big thing that we’re looking for is that
somebody is giving court up. Think about this, you’re attacking them, and they’re giving the court up, meaning they’re moving backwards. So what does that tell you? If they’re gonna try to
pass you, they’re giving you more reaction time by backing
up again for the pass. So that doesn’t make sense at all, right? So what are we seeing? We’re going to see someone
moving away from the ball, the weight shift back,
and immediately we know you’re getting lobbed. It’s a tough spot.
– The back foot’s the key, right, so for me, visually,
when I see that weight load onto the back foot, that’s when I know, uh oh, top spin lob. – Yeah. – Again though, I think one thing that really gives this away, you’re still not seeing this open face with the continental grip,
so maybe you’re thinking, alright, there’s not a lob coming. You’re seeing a much abbreviated
stroke from most players. I mean, my top spin lob
looks nothing like my set up for my drive.
– Right. – You can tell my weight’s falling back. You can tell it’s an abbreviated
stroke that’s dipping way lower underneath the ball. So again, I think if
you’re paying attention to the visual cues here,
you will actually see these top spin lobs before
you get beat with them. – I think people out
there, Scott, are going, you guys are crazy. None of us see what’s
happening with people’s hands. I’m just worried about
making the ball, right. So let’s take it another step. What else can we add so
that we can anticipate this? This is a visual cue, right.
– For sure. – The other part that we’re
looking at is what did you do with your ball, right? So is your ball deep, right? So the deeper the ball
you’ve gotta ask yourself, what can your opponent do to hurt you? – Right. – 90% of the time it’s
gonna be a lob, right. Here’s something I want
you to keep in mind, and a lot of my students
fail to understand this, and then once they get it they’re like, oh my Gosh, I can’t
believe I didn’t know that, is if the ball is short,
they’re not gonna hit a top spin lob, ’cause
you can’t get up to a ball and then shimmy and fall back. That’s not gonna happen. Yes, you can work through a
slice lob working through feel, but that happens at a
much higher level, right. So once somebody’s getting
pulled into the short, if you hit a short angle
approach, you gotta worry about a short angle approach coming back. The likelihood of a lob diminishes. – For sure. And I think the biggest sort
of flip flop mindset here that we have to undo as
coaches with our players is we always tell you to
come in, hit aggressively, and come to the net, and
I think a lot of players read that as crushing an approach shot, and I’m crashing that net. Remember if you crush
an approach shot deep, you’re probably gonna get a lob. So yes we want you to close,
but we don’t want your nose on the net we want you to
anticipate a lob is coming, like when Nate said if you do
damage and you push ’em back. Think about what you do
when you’re on defense and somebody hits a really
deep ball against you. You’re gonna lob. – So you’re talking about
the phases of anticipation. – For sure. We should probably cover
that a little bit too, huh? – We’ll just clarify
it for you, all right. So when we first start playing this game, from the very, very
beginning, and it’s a game that takes a long time to
start mastering anticipation. But the first thing
that we do is re-react. Meaning, I see the racket
coming off the person’s, sorry, I see the ball coming
off the person’s racket, and it’s gonna be short, I’m
getting, it’s a drop shot, run. – I see and then I do. – Exactly. So it’s the same thing with the
lob, right, where it’s like, I see the ball going up,
it’s a lob, and also we start to retreat. How come we didn’t know it
was a lob in the first place. So we have to change the thinking. This is like good chess players. – Playing a couple moves ahead
instead of just reacting. – I know what I’m doing,
therefore I have a really good hypothesis on what you’re
doing as my opponent. So here’s the example. I get a short ball and
I hit a big, heavy ball to your backhand in the corner, right. I don’t have to see it, I
know that I’ve done damage, especially if you have a weak backhand. Your only response is gonna
be a lob, so as I come in and I hit my split step,
I should be thinking, get sideways, look for this
lob, look for the put away. – And I would even say steps
here, because that’s like, perfect situation. Good or okay tennis, for me
as a coach at the rec level, would be I hit a big ground
stroke, I see their racket face open up, so I adjust and
know that the lob is coming. Great tennis would be the second
that ball leaves my strings I know I hit a huge
approach shot and I know, like what you just said,
that a lob’s coming. So that’s the anticipation piece. Step one, if you’re not
there yet, get to the point where you can identify the
racket face and adjust, so you’re not getting beat with the lob. Step two, you can almost
sort of see the future with anticipation. Know that it’s coming based
off the shot you just hit and whether or not you did damage. – So this is really about changing the way you think, alright. And we’re all guilty of this. I’d be lying to you all if
I told you in a big moment in a match, I got an approach
shot and I wasn’t thinking, just don’t miss it. Just make that ball, right. And that’s where it’s problematic,
because I’m just hitting this arbitrary shot, I don’t
really know where it’s going, so I can’t, I don’t have
anything to anticipate. So the way that you guys are
gonna practice this, is that when you get an opportunity
for offense, you’re simply going to pick a target, and
from there you’re going to start processing and getting it
sooner, what you expect is coming back. – The anticipation piece. – Just stop hitting and hoping. That’s what we want to get away from. – For sure. Guys, I hope this video helps. Remember here at PlayYourCourt,
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12 thoughts on “Stop Getting BEAT By The LOB – Tennis Lesson”

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  2. This is an excellent discussion but I do not shift my weight to give away my top spin lob. It's all arm for me and it's very hard to read. Also, sometimes I move up to hit a topspin lob if the ball is lower and not in my strike zone. So I would not follow your predictions but it's good to get players to think in matches.

  3. I've watched a few of your videos over the last few days, and in every one you use your rating method, then decipher that to NTRP ratings, so you use both.
    Why not just use NTRP ranking system instead of both? Or whatever yours is.

  4. Great videos guys! Subscribed and liked. Literally binge watching your videos πŸ˜€ , they are just so helpful and informative. Keep up the good work!

  5. I'm enjoying your lessons. I like your uncomplicated look at each of your lessons.
    I introduce the game to beginners and improvers. I love the idea of helping them to learn with tennis lessons on the internet. Your lessons are helpful.
    I can't know everything so I always encourage the student to search out sites like these, to reinforce what I say and demonstrate and learn new ideas. My dream is to set up a club that internet-based that swaps information about tennis learning. The members would support each other throughout the learning process.
    I wonder too if you ever considered not using words to describe the player's ability but allowing us, coach and student to video the learners game/stroke and send this to an online coach for analysis and then directing them to the lessons most suitable for their game. It seems to me your lessons structures go a long way to allowing that to happen. The coach and player can practise the lessons recommended.
    I am not the best player so the demonstration can be an issue, using the above ideas may solve the problem . I think it would improve customer satisfaction.

  6. Very helpful. Too easy to get caught up in MY half of the game — hitting a good approach shot, admiring it, then watching the lob go up. Anticipation is the key word, especially as you face better players.

  7. great stuff! You guys are so far offering the best video for the specific targeted audience based on the tennis ratings. Would also like to have a video on how to lob deep during the game. thx!

  8. I am at the point where I realize when my opponent does the lob, but I still lose the point because I mess up my smash πŸ™

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