today we’re going to talk about a grave
myths teaching in the game of golf I’m going
after it not messing around let’s go this video we’re talking about rotation
or don’t rotate what what is it do you wrote some people say rotate and
some people say you need to not rotate but it’s a back and forth motion and and
then you just kind of stop stop your hands and let that Club speed up like
this to create massive amounts of speed what is it what’s correct I’ll tell you
I’m a rotation guy that’s for sure and I think the stop and let that catch-up is
going to destroy your life and we’re gonna fix it right now because if you
don’t rotate you can’t survive out here and that’s a fact of life
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aid for us I’m use in a second so some people say it’s not rotation it’s a back
straight back straight through right straight back straight through straight
back that’s ridiculous okay it’s absolutely ridiculous and if
somebody says that you need to run away here is why my hips there it’s a rounded
formation here right similar to let’s say a water bottle and the top are my
hips if I want to get the top on and off I can’t go straight back this
is never going to get the top off straight back straight through look
you have to turn it turn it it’s not straight back it’s turning it’s a
rotation my hips are basically the same shape as that dang water bottle so I
can’t go straight back and straight through that’s this that’s ridiculous
one is going back and one is going forward
one is going back and one is going forward just like this but it’s not
going forward it’s rotating around your body around your pelvis around your life
okay everything is in a rotational manner that’s why you can’t think
straight back straight forward because you’ll do this you have a swing that
looks nobody nobody swings like that so to even think that will cause you to
get in so much trouble and it will force you and make your brain think okay I got
it I’m gonna go straight back and you’ll extend your legs like this this will
happen and you’ll flip that club now if you’re somebody that wants to flip the
club and have a ton of hand motion like this then do that can you create a ton
of club head speed by snapping and stopping and then letting this do that
yes you can’t create a lot of club head speed but your consistency you might as
well throw it out the window because that is exactly what’s going to happen
if that’s the type of mental thought you want to have but when I’m here and I’m
rotating around and then my hands release out there it’s releasing toward
the target everything is getting synced up on plane and you will have much more
consistency than doing anything like that and that my friends is what will
get your whole golf game in trouble you need the rotation we need
rotation in here not stopping and this you’re gonna have a not lockjaw
I call it lock legs you look like this this is a non rotational swing this is
the back and forth thought is that what you want to look like I don’t think so
we need to be set on rotation and and and there’s more to it than just than
just this okay so here’s what happens when you have the mind thought of your
straight back and straight through type of motion with your body right what you
know obviously you’re losing your spine angle when you do that instead of
keeping it and turning around I mean so some people might not consciously think
I’m rotating my hips but in reality that’s what they’re doing whether they
think it or not it doesn’t matter what you do is what matters but if you
thinking no I’m just going straight back and I’m gonna slow my hands down and let
that Club whip through and create massive amounts of speed all of that
that mine thought is going to translate into the short game and you’re going to
do the same thing and slow your hands down and do stuff like that where you
chunk it or you’re gonna zing that ball way across the planet so you don’t want
stuff like that to infect and poison your short game because this is where
all the strokes are rotation in your short game again you’re gonna have so
much more consistency on these little types of shots and you’re gonna be able
to control them so much better because you’re gonna come through the shot but
if you start whatever you do in your long game it infects your short game so
if you have bad habits there forget it you have no chance here that’s why when
I hear like it’s a straight back straight through motion I’m like oh
that’s going to come over here and destroy your whole life in the short
game we need rotation here without rotation there’s no hope for you there’s
no hope you’re gonna stop and flip and get all kinds of you know wicked
hand motion through here little rotation is really gonna help your life in your
short game and you can control the shots I’m gonna roll right next to the hole so
stop thinking don’t rotate you have to think rotate all I want is what’s best
for us to get better to be consistent I’m just here to help comment below let
me know what you like to think about your golf swing hopefully it has
something to do with a turning motion love you guys
good luck see in the next video

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Dennis Veasley

55 thoughts on “Golf Swing Rotation is it Necessary? Mr. Short Game Reveals the Truth”

  1. Everyone is different. Just because you do it one way doesn't mean it works for everybody. BTW I've never heard anyone say don't rotate. Seems like you created an issue for a video.

  2. This should have a NSFW tag lots of straight back and forwarod with the grunting sound also. no one in my office thought i was watching golf!!

  3. I don't disagree with you one bit, but it seems like you interprete someone's idea wrongly, I never heard anyone says do not rotate, but someone such as Malaska would says it's an effect not a cause. And I never heard anyone says humping the goat back and forth would be a good idea

  4. Nobody is saying don't rotate except maybe Moe Norman. The right hip back, left hip back move is promoting a centered turn thus minimizing swaying and big shifts left. I think it has more positives than negatives.

  5. Rotation is an effect. Jack and Tiger both have never said "rotation". Tiger says he tries to get his trail hip as deep as he can, and his lead hip as deep as he can, meaning, back, as in puch the left hip back, and push the right hip back. The Golden Bear says something similar. He said, "I try to get my trail hip back and out of the way, and let the club pull me through in the downswing. People who try and "rotate" their hips end up causing way more problems. You give anyone a baseball bat and tell them to hit a ball, no one stands there thinking, "I have to rotate my hips for good impact." the, for lack of a better word, "rotation" is a byproduct. But done correctly you are really just using your legs to "push" your hips back.

  6. Matt, there is a difference between trying to rotate and having rotation result. Most golfers think rotate and slice the ball. Rotation happens but not actively.

  7. Mr SG is correct once again!! I'm a recovering flipper, and I can tell you flipping has destroyed my short game, I often blade little pitch shots as I stop rotating and lose my right wrist angle (flip) which raises the leading edge and BOOM, you just skulled it !! The problem is, after flipping for 40 years it's incredible hard to rotate, my brain wants to throw the club head at the ball instead of waiting for my body turn to bring the club to the ball.

  8. The golf swing either using both hands and arms will pull your body to rotate. You don't initiate swing using your hips rotation for more speed but your hands and let pull gravity do itself for rotation
    This will create more speed in your golf swing. In addition let your arms and hands relax and lightly hold your golf club

  9. Should I fight my natural shot shape? I'm a left and I hit a draw. Very rarely do I hit the ball left. I'd love to be able to play a fade off the tee, but I have been having trouble learning one.

  10. Who the hell says straight back straight through? That video could have been condensed into 1 second… turn dont sway.

  11. I love your stuff, but calm down, relax you are being ridiculous. The question should be, do we rotate our hips on the downswing as we hit the ball or after we hit the ball. If I hit with the arms (not allowing the body to drag the arms through) and then let the hips follow, I get a much more powerful and better strike.

  12. My swing thought is to go back which rotates my hips, I'd prefer to think straight lines. That thought triggers rotation

  13. Love your content but this vid could be a bit dangerous for some.
    Everyone's perception and feels differ.
    Some may need to "feel" the trail hip go back and deep in order to rotate in the back swing. And "feel" the lead hip go back and deep to initiate the rotation in the downswing, I know I do.
    I get loose with too many moving parts when I turn, deep hips keeps me tight but past impact I'm turning hard.
    Each to their own.

  14. Good day Mr Shortgame. I love your instruction videos. You present with so much passion and enthusiasm. Thank you very much.
    I looked at the instruction on rotation to create the best swing… Fantastic and I agree.
    I love this game and started when I was 22. I got my training from Mr Otway Hayes. I played of 9-10 handicap as a weekend golfer for many years. Then, 2 years ago, I had heart surgery and although I am in great shape, I now battle to rotate. Can you please do a video on a half swing or alternative swing, even if I have to take more club than before.
    Thank you for the value you add to golfers world wide.
    Hendrik. South Africa

  15. I agree with your idea of arms only being a bad one but just like Starwut below mentioning Malaska who says that that the turn is a effect not a cause I agree with that too. My argument for Malaskas notion would be that if a person swings with the idea of keeping the head behind the ball and turning around their spine then he/she has a tendency to get stuck . On the other hand if the player has the follow through with a complete turn in his/her mind only , chances are there's going to be a lot of lateral move or coming out of the shot. I have personally seen more 60 and older players sending a driver shot 260 and more consistently (me included) who have some of what you say but otherwise are less dynamic while concentrating on the best contact possible.I see so many club players that fail to get rid of their left arm first and they are the same folks complaining about consistent distance within the fairway.I remember your video where you say that the swoosh sound of the club should occur at release…well if I hear a swoosh sound at release everything else should happen naturally no?

  16. With all due respect, cause i think your teaching is good, name names because i've never heard of anyone teaching the "strait back and through" you're talking about….please, tell me who is teaching this meathod….thanks.

  17. Sounds like a stack and tilt golf swing when you go back and forth. The conventional golf swing involves some form of rotation. Chipping and putting is from the shoulders. Full swings and pitches from the hips.

  18. Whoa there short game. I think you are saying Forearm rotation (not flipping) is wrong? It's the number one method taught to amateurs. OK. Say that is wrong but then show us the way you think it should be done with body rotation. It's a two part world, i.e., This is wrong and here is how to do it right.

  19. You have to put light in front of you. Your face and body are totally in the shade. It is a photographic death penalty for this…

  20. Grave Myths Teaching??? Is it possible that you may misinterpret them? In my opinion, it's an effect (a by-product of the downswing for the better players) that the hip turn will slow down or even stop during the impact/release. See it for yourself…
    — Matt Wolfe (no hip turn – around :51-1:15)

    — Rory (no hip turn – around :18 – 0:21) and at around :20, if you look carefully, it looks like there is even a quick reverse

  21. I went from a fade to a draw and got stuck hitting duck hooks so I abandoned the draw because I couldn't figure out the concept of rotation. I was simply returning to address at impact.

  22. it's a question of delaying rotation. Couples and norman would stop rotating at impact and "slam the door". But of course, they would then continue their rotation after impact.

  23. There are several instructors that preach a stop/flip golf swing. Mr. S.G. is right, don't go down that rabbit hole!

  24. You know, some folks hate on YouTube golf coaching and act like you're screwed if you don't go to one coach in person and pay him money to try and teach you, but I can say that in the last 3 years or so that I've been watching YouTube golf instruction from quite a few different people, my swing and my just general understanding of what is even happening in it has been completely revolutionized. I so wish I could've had YouTube 15 plus years ago so I could have learned what I know now and not have spent so much wasted time trying to mostly figure things out on my own.

  25. The humping the goat move is when both hips or the pelvis go forward and back together. Of course that’s no good. I think when people say a back and forth motion it’s right side back left side forward, like a walking motion. This is what Mike Austin said. The result of that motion creates the "rotation”. But this whole conscious idea of rotating the hips is what’s killing everyone’s back. When you throw a ball, who’s thinking about rotating and firing the hips. For the average golfer rotating the hips pulls the arms right over the top. Now you have to make sure you shallow the club, which then has the hips going one way and the club going another. Very bad for the back. I know it’s modern day teaching but why is it that the average player still can’t break 90? I won’t get into it here but learn to use more leverage and not so much rotation, you’re back will thank you.

  26. You’re on a roll with the last couple of videos! Rotation is they key to becoming a better player but step 2 would be releasing the club…. Would love to see a follow up on the club release since after watching so many of your videos you release club so well! Side note what is up switching to the Z5 grip 😂…

  27. If, as Sam Snead did, you bring the lead knee back behind the ball, so much so that its movement through the ball coincides with the downswing to the point of impact, that shifting of the knee through the ball will cause an abrupt left "turn" at the point of impact – AS IF, a car was on a glide path towards its destination, and then, braked hard and suddenly turned left, causing the car's back end (in this case the club head) to violently fishtail towards where the car had been headed. That's how I see Sam Snead's abrupt turn left.

    Yes, he rotated, but – his lead heel lifted on the backswing and then, slammed down as the gravity of the swing came down, and in response, the hips opened up (the Sam Snead squat), waiting for the final thrust and tuck of the buttocks, as that violent turn left whipped the "car" (the club head) to fishtail, just enough to square perfectly for swat – yet, not overextending so much so that he'd have to have 4-5 back surgeries like Tiger or others – who nail their lead foot into the ground with no natural heel left from the drawing back of the knee.

    In this video I preset the mind to snap the body left by using a short arrow saber (an arrow with a handle taped onto it), before swinging the driver, in order that nothing is wasted in overextension through the point of impact, but just what is needed to get that club head around, which means that, to me – it's a combination of the two :-):

  28. You really are overexcited. Frankly speaking, it's annoying to watch.
    Above all, you state the obvious : nobody ever claim "don't rotate when swinging", especially as you must finish your movement facing the target.

  29. Student add 100+ yards doesn't rotate.
    Another adds 60 yards. (not even a student just a member for free info)
    Third one had 12 modern golf teachers over a 5 year period and couldn't play with it.
    Now he can after one single session and again no rotation.
    Anyhow, wish golf education actually existed and people knew what they were talking about.

  30. Never heard don't rotate in 31 years of playing. Thinking about the swing will destroy your life. Just hit the ball.

  31. no one says don't rotate, however, that's exactly what most amateurs do. they think they're rotating and they're not! great video!!!

  32. Straight back and straight through is from Malaska. He's talking about another way of envisioning or feeling rotation for some people because everyone's perception is different. Malaska's advice helped me. Your disdain towards the straight back straight through is apparent, and childish to be honest with you.

  33. rotating is about clearing the club, not about rotating.
    this wont make any sense at all, but you rotate to get the club out in front of your body. or, actually, to get your body behind the club, and to give your hands and arms enough room to swing.
    if youre square to the ball at impact, you more or less have to stop your arms because they cant actually go through until your left shoulder rotates out of the way and lets your left arm by.
    you need a lot of space between your body and your hands when you hit the ball. or else you wont have enough room. you get that space by rotating your body out of the way.
    the fact that it generates tons of additional power is just a bonus.

  34. Do you have a video on how to mentally come back from a bad hole and recoop your game? Thnx your a favourite here.

  35. Mr S, I thought this was really helpful ! I had been locked into a straight back and forward motion and it ruined my game for 3 years or more! Just before I viewed your video I realised I had to keep the wrists straight in the early backswing but At same time I can start to create a curved backswing path, what your video has done is reinforce my thoughts that the hitting and follow through paths require rotation too which naturally leads to the swing curving left after impact. There are many videos saying you should slide your hips forward and I now realise they are incorrect. Funny I have just been practicing chipping and pitching an hour ago and I accidentally discovered turning towards the target on impact helped me to strike the ball better creating more distance with a short backswing! Thanks a lot your video confirmed this too! Regards PAUL

  36. I enjoy your videos along with many other golf instruction videos from YouTube…but, I have never heard anyone say to move straight back then straight through when swinging a club. All the videos are against "early extension".

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