Welcome to the channel of coach EmRatThich. Today is 11th December 2016, our first “Ping
Sunday”. I will upload table tennis videos every Sunday,
so the next video will be available on Sunday 18th December. Today, I want to explain you the difference
between Chinese rubber (DHS Hurricane 3 for example) and the ESN Tensor Rubber or High
Tension Rubber (for example Tenergy 05). I also explain the advantage of Chinese rubber
and why pro players prefer playing Chinese rubber on their Forehand. I have many questions about the Tacky Chinese
Rubber. You have many hesitations of using Chinese
rubber or not using Chinese rubber. Trieu Van Sy asked me “I’ve heard many peoples advice
using Chinese rubber (Hurricane H3). But I played with ESN European Rubber for
long time. Should I change?” I think this is a common question, but no
one has explained clearly before, so today I will explain it for you. First of all, do we really need chinese rubber? Many Western players have spent almost 500
dollars even thousand dollar every year to buy the Chinese rubbers. They want to improve their table tennis by
equipping the professional setup. Unfortunately, there are many versions of
Chinese rubbers: Commercial, Provincial, National. And many are fake. There are also Chinese dealers on Taobao and
on the forum, who claimed that they have a relationship with pro players and can get
new “National rubber”. They convinced the buyers “We don’t have
many rubbers, you must wait for 2 months”. But in fact, the “national rubber” are
all fake, the dealer just tuned the commercial rubbers with booster. The effect of booster will make the rubber
easier to play, to spin. And the buyer thinks that the fake rubbers
are legit. But no! Pro players don’t play with soft version
of chinese rubber. The dealer also prints the name of the player
on the rubber such as “Ma Long”, “Wang Hao”. But we (player from China) know that these
rubbers are all fake. But it’s a good business so we don’t want
to tell the truth. Western players continue to buy “fake tuned
Chinese rubber” and think that it is “personal national rubber”. So please don’t spend 100usd to buy a fake
Chinese rubber. And Chinese rubber is not only DHS (Double
Happiness) product. There are many another brands: 729 Friendship,
LKT, Yin-He, Globe, Giant Dragon. In China, a young kid just goes to the shop
and buys a 5usd rubber to play for 2 years and improve so fast. In Europe, you spent 500usd every year to
change and test new rubber and didn’t improve at all. I will explain how to choose a good Chinese
rubber in the next video. Today I want to compare Chinese and Tensor
rubber. Advantages of Chinese rubber
This is the spin-force curve for chinese rubber (blue line) and tensor rubber (orange line). In general, tensor rubber can spin the ball
easier with small force. That’s why amateur players prefer tensor
rubber as it is easier to spin the ball. However, pro players hit the ball harder. With the tensor rubber, there is a limit that
you can’t improve the spin even if you hit harder. Chinese rubber is more linear: small spin
at small force but chinese rubber doesn’t have the force limit. If you hit harder, the spin will increase. That’s why pro players prefer chinese rubber
on Forehand as we can hit very hard with Forehand. With backhand the force is not high enough
so it’s safer to use tensor rubber on backhand. Chinese rubber and tensor rubber don’t have
the same throw angle. The tensor rubber has in general higher throw
angle as it can spin the ball easier. Tensor rubbers are also sensitive to the spin. However, you can’t hit very hard with tensor
rubber, as if you hit very hard, the ball will mostly goes out of the table. The throw angle of tensor rubber (orange line)
is not consistent in high force domain. But chinese rubber is harder, and less sensitive
to the spin. The throw angle is very low and you can hit
very hard. This is the main reason why Chinese players
using Chinese rubber to loop kill the ball as they can hit very hard. Look at the video of Liu Guoliang and Xu Xin. They can loop kill the ball and the throw
angle is very low. Without chinese rubber, they can’t do that. So if you buy a chinese rubber with high throw
angle, it’s probably fake. This is the speed-force relationship. The tensor rubber is softer and is more bouncy,
springy than chinese rubber. In the small force domain, the speed is higher. But tensor rubber goes to the limit at higher
force domain. The pro players can hit very hard and make
the ball faster with Chinese rubber. That’s why amateur players find that Chinese
rubber is slow, but for Pro players Chinese rubber is faster. Because pro and amateur are in 2 different
force zone. Look at the graph, amateur prefer tensor and
pro player prefer chinese rubber. Why chinese rubbers are tacky? Look at the graph. If Chinese rubber doesn’t have tackiness,
in the small force domain, the spin and speed is very low. As the chinese rubber is hard, without tackiness,
it’s very difficult to spin the ball with the small force actions such as serve, flip,
drop shot. So Chinese rubber needs tackiness to increase
the spin and speed in the low force domain. Why pro players tune their Chinese rubber
with booster. The booster is the organic solvent which will
be absorbed in the sponge of the rubber. The rubber will be expanded; it will become
a little softer and more bouncy, springy. It will make the ball faster and spinier about
+10% to 15%. Look at the graph, the red line is boosted
chinese rubber, the spin and speed increases at low and mid-range of force. Pro players also boost rubber to increase
the feeling of the ball as they want to feel the ball in the serve and serve return. If the rubber is too hard, it’s difficult
to feel the ball. Should I use Chinese rubber ? Yes. If you have a good foundation: technique,
power, footwork. You have a good coach to optimize the technique. You hit very hard. You like loop kill
the ball. No. If you can’t hit very hard. You don’t have a good footwork. Stay with Tensor rubber, as Tensor rubbers
give more spin and speed at low force. Should I use Chinese rubber as a Backhand
rubber ? Many amateur players use Chinese rubber as
a backhand rubber to block and push the ball. The chinese rubber is hard, and less sensitive
to the spin. They profit this property to use Chinese rubber
as a “dead rubber” to safely push the ball. However, for long term, it’s not good for
your Backhand. If you want to use your backhand as a weapon
to attack, you should use tensor rubber. Chinese rubbers are designed for Forehand
attack, but not for the passive Backhand. Should I buy National Chinese rubber? The dealer profits the fact that everyone
wants to improve their table tennis and make many rubber version with high price. It’s a waste of money. Ask yourself, even Zhang Jike gives you his
setup (his true blade and rubber), can you play table tennis like him? No, it’s even worse as the rubber is too
hard for you, you don’t have the feel of the ball, you can’t adapt to his heavy blade
and you play worse. So why spend thousands of dollars to buy national
chinese rubber? Remember: Professional setup is harder to
use. If you want to use it correctly, you must
train for that. You must hit harder, faster. Improve your technique before buying pro setup. If you have any question, you can comment
in the Youtube channel. Or you can send me your message on my facebook
page. You can also send me your video, if I have
time, I will correct your technique by viewing the video.

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Dennis Veasley

100 thoughts on “Chinese rubber (DHS Hurricane) vs High Tension rubber (Tenergy) table tennis”

  1. can you please tell.me is.dhs hurricane long rubber and tenergy O5 rubber iss good for gergely tamca 2000 because i tried it i cant spin properly instead.it flat drives.which make.it faster to get which rubber do u suggest in the 2 rubbers i mentioned?

  2. Nice video. I think your graph regarding SPEED may be incorrect however. I strong believe Tensor rubbers are fastest at high force application. In general maybe Chinese rubber maybe you can play faster because you can play with more spin. But away from the table when players need more SPEED chinese player with spin their bat to use tensor rubber.

  3. Thank you for such an educational video. I learned a lot about my own game now. I used Chinese rubber (729 SST, DHS H2), and I noticed that I play so much better when I hit very hard, and the spin and speed is unmatched. Your charts were very helpful. While I am still younger, I will continue using the Chinese rubber, but as I get older, maybe I have to consider using a tensor style Chinese rubbers like 729 Higher. Thank you, one of the best videos on Chinese rubber.

  4. so thx what you said made sense to me. i have an issue i play with more than one paddle type and rubber. when i'm fresh i play with a paddle that is usually off -, when tired i play with off/off+ especially my old butterfly anatomic pistol grip.

    i use yasaka do on my forehand side on my hinoki butterfly. it is still on the paddle but they don't make this rubber anymore. ON MY Backhand i have panda quickspin anotherr ubber no longer made to my knowledge. both rubbers are medium hard and both very spiny and tacky too. i get good control, spin and speed when i need it from the hinoki blade. that is why i used it on the faster paddle. which i tend to use when i get tired so i don't have to work as hard.

    MOVED ONTO A BUTTERFLY PRIMORAC OFF- and i have red mark v still and black sriver fx.

    newest blade is a Darker Aqua blade 7 ply offensive blade = CYPRESS+LINDEN+PAULOWNIA still on it i have is yasaka tornado red and juic elite 999 black.

    i also flip again based on what i want to do and who i'm playing. yasaka no longer nmakes a chinese style rubber.

    my game is mainly 2 wing looper/attack, but i play a varied game MIXING IN CHOP, PUSHES, AND BLOCKING based on my opponents style/weaknesses.

    only now my left hip is bad, so can't play competitively anymore. i still want to get back to the game though i have other disabilities now too. torn should from years ago and a sporadically bad lower back. Tai chi has allowed me to hold on so far.

    any suggestions i'm 56 and before injuries i played club table tennis 5-6 days a week, and hard court tennis 5-7 days a week too ? i can at least limp around the table tennis table some.

  5. Some people think the more expensive the equipment, the better. That's completely wrong. The equipment must fit your level and your style of play. I use Hurricane 3 rubber ($18) and Yinhe W-1 blade ($60) for years. Bought all in the U.S. What's important is the sponge hardness, which is not normally indicated . I was lucky. I asked for and got 40 degree forehand, 39 degree backhand.

  6. Hi EmRat Thich…..can you please suggest me from where can I buy original Chinese rubber….I am from India and am an intermediate level player….. as you have mentioned I am not looking for national level rubbers…. but looking for something which is suitable at my level…..

    thanks a lot Sir.

  7. Hello coach! I use a 5ply wood blade that is not too fast and perfect. First I had Mark V but then switched to Rakza 7 as I wanted something faster. But after seeing so many good reviews on chinese rubbers and that chinese players use this as a forehand loop rubber. I wonder if this would be a good switch. Exactly what I am good at (forehand loop). So I would have a Rakza 7 on my backhand and maybe Hurricane 8 Mid-Hard or Hurricane 3 Neo on my forehand. Any tips if this is a good switch. If I would switch and like that combo I will have it for a long time. So should I switch my forehand rubber to Chinese and which one? Thank you!
    Greatful for a answer!

  8. Hi, very useful video, thanks. What do you think about adding paraffin oil to the rubbers? I did it to my bluefire m1 and acuda S3 and they feel tackier…

  9. Whats the best Rubber for control? i bought a stiga carbon pro paddle but it doesn't have a good feel for control on the rubber.

  10. The graphs are slightly correct but not fully telling the truth. The upper limits should not have such big a difference.

  11. Hi, wich Racket should i use? I want to begin Table Tennis 🎾 but there are many different designs of the wood. I cant create an overview about all these. Whats "speed" in a wood for example?

  12. Could you please give me a suggestion for a new forehand rubber? I a defensive player who likes to play far from the table. I have a heavy topspin loop, but sometimes also chop on the FH. My blade is Joo se Hyuk.

  13. Hi, I just bought DHS Hurricane 3 NEO (http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-665340457-goma-dhs-hurricane-3-neo-_JM), here at Argentina there is only one version of it, very cheap (25 USD), I dont know if it is the national, provincial or what… could you tell me?

  14. Today I used for the first time 2 DHS Hurricane 3 NEO on my Korbel SK7 (very cheap and tacky!): it was amazing, easy to loop, too much spin, I can do backhand flip very easy and the oponents are surprised by the massive spin (serves, FH topspin, etc.) Very thanks to EmRatThich for the excelent advice! Now I should get used to it!

  15. I'm starting to play again, but it is so hard to decide what rubber to buy to get back in the game, and I'm not spending a lot of money so for now this is what I'm planning to buy to get back on track, Andro Super core cell ALL, Andro rasant grip, FH and rasant beat BH. Can some one look in to this setup and advice me ? I'm and intermediate looper, also like to put heavily spin on serves and couter, take care guys !

  16. 5:20 That's what I noticed as well with my Tenergy 05! There is a point where you just can't apply more force to the ball. When I hit it too hard it seems like the ball starts floating without any additional spin. I noticed that I don't have that problem with harder rubbers like the Tibhar Evolution MX-S which is basically the hardest European rubber you can get. The Chinese rubbers are well more suited for athletic hard hitting players which I consider myself, BUT you need an excellent footwork to play with those rubbers. The Tenergy 05 is just more reliable when your position to the ball is a little off and it suits my playstyle better even though I reach that force limit sometimes. It just happens too rarely. I like those spinny opening topspins and they're much easier to play with the T05 than with a Hurricane 3 f.ex. You have to play differently with Chinese rubbers. I think I could play with such a rubber, but there's almost no way to get a real national version of the DHS rubbers here in Europe. The tensor rubbers are also a lot easier to play and you don't have to boost them.

    I would still love to know how Ma Long's racket plays, just to get an idea of the Chinese equipment. I am sure it's great for powerful high risk shots, short game and serving. It's probably very hard to use in the passive game (blocking, soft countering, pushing), on flip shots and spinny opening topspins.

    Great video, you actually said all these things, so I almosted repeated everything, haha.

  17. This is not true., chinese rubbers like H3 are sensitive to incoming spins., tensor rubbers must be faster than hard chinese rubbers., chinese rubbers are more on control and very slow., this video are all false., wtf?

  18. emratthich
    First of all thanks for your post!
    Need your humble advise recently i am using sardious blade Huricane neo 3 (not boosted) for my fh and Rakza7 soft in my bh, should i need to boost my neo3 or not? i am intermidiate player

  19. emratthich
    First of all thanks for your post!
    Need your humble advise recently i am using sardious blade Huricane neo 3 (not boosted) for my fh and Rakza7 soft in my bh, should i need to boost my neo3 or not? i am intermidiate player

  20. I am doubtful about that the logo with curved border is original, I bought hurricane 8 at various sources amazon, paddle palace and also from some coaches and non of them have the curved border. They also felt playing well.

  21. hi emrathich, the chinese rubbers are make to the long and power backswing ? tensor are make to short backswing ?

  22. I really relate to the Chinese game philosophy, but do you think a player which use Tensor European rubbers and Western style for many years can suddenly switch to Chinese style and switch to hard rubber?

    Do you think a Western player can make this transition after many years playing with Western equipment?

  23. What is the idea to buy a hard chinese rubber and boost it to make it softer and bouncier? would it not make more sense to buy then a tensor rubber?

  24. Thank you for an interesting video. I am contemplating purchasing Japanese, non-ESN, non-Tenergy rubber, such as Nexy Karis or Stiga Mantra. I like the speed and control of Stiga Calibra, but spin is lacking. Anyone have any experience with these new Japanese rubbers made by Daiki and other Japanese manufactures.

  25. just like any other of his videos "Chinese good, western bad " .I would even benefit from these videos if it wasn't done in this North Korean style .

  26. I reckon Chinese players dominance comes from their hard work and practice makes them so proficient not the Chinese rubber who knows if they were to use tenergy 05 with the same determination and discipline they would be even stronger!

  27. I don't know if this is the place to ask, but I hope someone can help me
    I am buying my first blade, and I was thinking for a yasaka sweden extra with DHS 3 hurricane on both sides (red/black).
    Is this right for a beginer/intermediate looping aggressive player? Thank you!

  28. What does it mean when yousay tackiness in table tennis? Hope you can enlighten me as these terms are too technical for my players to understand. Thanks in advance

  29. With the new poly ball 40+, should I stick to the tensor rubber or change to a harder rubber? If so, what rubber would you recommend for the backhand? Thanks.

  30. Thank you for the video. On this topic, I found an interesting article: https://www.google.com.vn/amp/s/thoughtsontabletennis.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/on-tacky-rubbers/amp/
    The article explains the difference between tackiness and stickiness. One of the point it makes was tacky rubber (Chinese) will generate less spin than sticky rubber given the same force. It explains the reason. It seems consistent with your reasoning when you explained that some people using Chinese rubber on the backhand as “dead rubber”.
    On the other hand, it is rather confusing to me when trying to reconcile your explanation that tacky rubber can generate more spin than non tacky rubber. Can you explain this or cite your data sources for the graphs so I can research further?

  31. Ok, so I have a question. I am a penholders and play exactly like wang hao does. Serve, third ball attack and then use a loop kill to move around and tire the opponent. I want to know what backhand rubber I should use because I use a hurricane 3 for forehand but still do not know what to use for backhand. Help?

  32. My friend asked me a question about this premade bat he had. He was wondering if the product was fake because the sides of the little box around the ittf 14-013 mark on the rubber were too straight and apparently the little box's edges r supposed to be round. I dont know and im thinking u guys might be able to know. Is it fake or no? Here's the picture: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/394458169247662081/407821501056679936/IMG_0055.JPG?width=226&height=301

  33. You're misleading dude, I searched the original store from a Tmall link from the original website and the pictures of fake rubbers that you showed in the video in fact are original rubbers, I don't see any curvy rectangle surrounding ITTF logo, and they do sell national team rubbers that come with different thicknesses. Most of Tmall stores even JD.com sell the products with the same shape, and I checked the code in dhs-sports.com.

  34. Is it a good combination to put Chinese rubber on forehand of viscaria or xiom vega pro blade with zlc carbon?

  35. Hello, EmRatThich, could you please recommend some cheap setup for beginner to improve a technique? I saw all your videos but nothing there about something you can use at the beginning. so far I used 729 super soft with noname wooden blade. I like this rubbers but I want to improve more.

  36. Is dhs gold arc 8 spinny because it does'nt have tackiness but is considered as one of the most spinniest rubbers in the world

  37. Hello,

    I have recently bought a Chinese rubber (DHS Hurricane 3). Unfortunately, the tackiness was gone after the first training. Is this normal and what can I do against it?

  38. Thank you for this. It was very informative. I have a very good chop. I create strong backspin on my backhand. What is a good rubber to create backspin?

  39. I used to use DHS H3 40 degree as my forehand robber and it is good as long as you get used to it. But I hate to say that Chinese rubber is so hard to maintain its stickiness.

  40. Hi coach I use Inmerforce ALC blade and DHS hurricane rubber in my both forehand and backhand should I replace my backhand?

  41. Hi Coach!🤗
    I have been using RITC Faster rubber on my backhand.
    My backhand is more dominant than my forehand.
    I can feel the ball especially when driving away from table.
    I then switched to Mark V (is it tensor? ).
    BUT I couldn't feel the ball during hard loops/drives away from table.
    The ball seems to bounce back fast and don't vibrate the blade.
    Should I keep this or would you recommend another rubber?
    I am using Stiga S-5000 all wood blade. I feel like I also need to upgrade my blade.
    Any recommendation?

  42. Hey I was contemplating about getting Hurricane Neo 3 but am not sure where to get originals…
    Can I trust tabletennis 11.com to have the real deal?

  43. Thank you for the video! It is very interesting nd useful! Tell a bit please about the rubber 999t!!! Can an amateur use it? is it also good for a smash?

  44. Hi Coach! Thank you for this informative video and just I found out I had a fake DHS Hurricane Neo after all!!! Could you please advise which legit online store to buy the mentioned rubber. Thanks for your help as always 🙂

  45. (1)
    Can I use "Xiom Vega China Rubber" as my forehand rubber by replacing DHS hurricane neo 3(commercial)?,
    Why I am asking because the DHS commercial rubbers don't have the consistence tackiness, but I see that "Xiom Vega China Rubber" have good tackiness for long time.

    (2)
    When I use Hard chines rubbers, do I need to remove and past the rubber every few days? And may I know which glue is better to past hard chines rubber ?

  46. When I use Hard chines rubbers, do I need to remove and past the rubber every few days? And may I know which glue is better to past hard chines rubber ?

  47. I am is the intermediate stage and I use chinese rubber for Penh old but my coach wants me to use tensor.

  48. reverse penholder here, i play with donic bluefire m1 backhand and DHS neo H3 on forehand on a Double FIsh STx carbon blade, but used to have donic bluefire m3 on FH, had to adapt specially on serves, feel is different, loops are easier IMO, just totally made a difference as i am a hard hitter, and in exchanges first attack was on the table but 2nd and 3rd were harder to keep on, but with Neo H3 i can just keep going and harder i hit, spinier it gets and stays on the table.

    – a proud canadian RPH player 🙂

  49. i use a xiom vega pro for fh and bh , they are great , nice spin, speed and control, i will change mi fh rubber by a hurrican neo 8

  50. I'm playing H2. Very hard crisp as a nut. My backhand counters are spot on. Love the rubber. Prob not so amazing on bh. I use pips on one side.

  51. I would like to put the Yinhe Big Dipper eraser on the right side of my Donic Defplay Senso,

    What do you think about Coach
    ? I'm a chopper

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